Six steps to counter your friendly, neighbourhood climate change sceptic
Having spent the many years taking on climate change sceptics, I have found that the following works well:
1. Determine whether the person is a sceptic or a denier. A denier is someone who simply does not ‘believe’ that global warming/greenhouse gases/climate change is an issue.
2. If a denier then explain that there is no point discussing further as they are basing their argument on a ‘belief system’ rather than scientific argument. Once you explain this, you will find they suddenly become a ‘sceptic’!
3. If a sceptic, then explain the basic science that all scientists agree upon:
a. CO2 and greenhouse gases trap in the Sun’s heat and keeps us warmer than the moon. Explain that this was determined in the 19th century and mention that it was the French mathematician, Joseph Fourier who first identified this fact in the 1830s. The name Fourier usually impresses engineers and scientists! I also find it useful to explain that we experience the Greenhouse affect on any nights where clouds appear. In a cloud free sky, we have cold nights. When clouds appear, the water vapour in the clouds, being a greenhouse gas, trap in the Sun’ infrared heat and increase temperatures.
b. CO2 levels are increasing due to our burning of fossil fuels
4. Then go on to explain where there is dispute. That is over the increase in temperature and the speed with which it happens, specifically:
a. The ratio between CO2 increase and global temperature increase. Calculations done early in the last century suggested that a doubling of CO2 will increase temperatures by an average of 5 degrees celcius. Some scientists believe that this is too high, others that it is too low.
b. Increased plant growth may absorb more CO2
c. Increased cloud cover caused by a warming planet may reflect more of the sun’s ultraviolet heat or may trap in more of its infrared heat.
d. Reduction in ice cover will cause less of the sun’s ultraviolet radiation to be reflected back into space, thus causing increased warming
e. Melting of vegetation that has been frozen for thousands of years will release both CO2 and Methane, adding to those greenhouse gases and pushing temperatures higher
f. The sun’s activity may slow down, offsetting any increase in temperature caused by the Greenhouse effect.
By this stage, hopefully, you have allowed them to save some ‘face’ by accepting that there is dispute over the speed of warming but also started them on a journey to accept that, irrespective of these arguments, as we continue to increase greenhouse gases there will be a constant underlying warming of the planet.
I welcome any refinements, critiques of the arguments, etc. In particular if you do know of any credible scientists that question the basic science of greenhouse gases keeping our planet warmer than the moon then please let me know. ‘Deniers’ claim they are out there but I have yet to find one!
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1. Determine whether the person is a believer or a sceptic. A believer is someone who simply believes that global warming/greenhouse gases/climate change is an issue.
2. If a believer then explain that there is no point discussing further as they are basing their argument on a 'belief system' rather than scientific argument. Once you expalin this, you will find they suddenly become a 'sceptic'!
3. If a sceptic, then explain the basic science that all scientists agree upon:
The climate is a complex system with many inputs and feedback systems. Inputs include (as you mention) the Sun's activity level, cloud cover, ice cover, moisture in the air. The climate has been both warmer than now and colder than now in the last 2000 years. CO2 has been lower and higher than now over the last million or so years. Water is by far the largest contributer to immediate climate change - in a cloud free sky, we have cold nights. When coulds appear, the water vapour in the coulds, being a greenhouse gas, trap in the sun's infrared heat and increase temperatures, even at night.
b. CO2 levers are increasing due to our buring of fossil fuels.
4. The dispute is really - does CO2 alone drive climate change and is it the primary driver behind the current warming? In Roman times, it was obviously warmer than today as the Romans grew grapes in Britain near Hardians' Line - something we cannot do today (which raises a secondary point - sea levels were about the same). Yet C02 didn't drive this climate change - we weren't burning fossil fuels yet.
Since roman times, there have been two cooler periods, the Dark Ages and The Little Ice Age and two warmer periods - the Medieval Warming and the one since 1850.
While I agree C02 could be a significant driver of global warming, have we discounted what caused the other warmings? Is it part of the warming natural - if not, how do we know?
Lastly, things like 'increase plant growth' are not nessassarily bad things. Civilisations tend to do better in warm times and collapse when it gets cold.
As you've probably guess, this is my attempt to poorly sum up the first few chapters of Ian Plimer's Heaven + Earth. My question is: Are we sure this isn't a red herring? I have complex enviornmental beliefs that include being anti-coal, pro-nuclear, pro-solar. If we put all our effort into avoid climate change, what about urban sprawl? What about the issues raised in www.storyofstuff.com? Why is 'adapting' to climate change such a bad thing?
Plimer, of course, suggests we could actually be heading towards an ice age (which is almost a certainty in the long run, of course) and even that warming stopped in 1998 (which I can't seem to pin down if it is true or not - for every respectable government body like NASA that says only 2006 has been hot since 1998, there are plenty of others that counter it). Pilmer's disection of the hockey stick graph seems to match Pilmer's footnotes and other sources. While I'm not happy with all his leaps of faith regarding what he considers to be 'true climate drivers' (raditation from space drives cloud creation? I'll have to check that out more but it is either an obsense oversimplification of the science or plain wrong).
I am a fair dinkum, true to the bone skeptic. I was shocked to the core by Al Gore's Inconvientent Truth, having always had a strong green lean, but there are so many easy questions not really answered anywhere. The more I look, the more I found only straw men arguments of logic as in your six steps, not geniune answers. The argument isn't that climate change occurs, but if we are causing it and if we can stop it and are there more important environmental issues to tackle like biodiversity or eco system collapse (as described in Jared Diamond's Collapse).
Is it really plausible that CO2 is the sole driver of climate change? Are you a believer or a skeptic?
Help out someone who wants to believe, and do it without sarcasm if you can...
27 May 2009 5:54 PM
Thanks Chris. MY COMMENTS BELOW
The dispute is really - does CO2 alone drive climate change and is it the primary driver behind the current warming? THERE ARE MANY OTHER FACTORS THAT AFFECT GLOBAL TEMPERATURES – THE ORIENTATION OF THE EARTH TO THE SUN (GENERALLY CONSIDERED TO BE THE MAIN FACTOR TRIGGERING THE MAJOR ICE AGES) THE SUN’S ACTIVITY, VOLCANIC ACTIVITY, CHANGES IN OCEAN CURRENTS ETC. A WARMING PLANET PRODUCES MORE GREENHOUSE GASES IN A POSITIVE FEEDBACK LOOP WHICH INCREASES TEMPERATURE MORE. THE CONVERSE HAPPENS WHEN THE NON GREENHOUSE GLOBAL WARMING AFFECT REDUCES. Since roman times, there have been two cooler periods, the Dark Ages and The Little Ice Age and two warmer periods - the Medieval Warming and the one since 1850. CORRECT THOUGH THERE IS NO REAL EVIDENCE THAT THESE WERE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE CHANGES RATHER THAN JUST REGIONAL CHANGES BROUGHT ON BY CHANGES IN OCEAN CURRENTS AND OTHER LOCAL FACTORS.
As you've probably guess, this is my attempt to poorly sum up the first few chapters of Ian Plimer's Heaven + Earth. My question is: Are we sure this isn't a red herring? I have complex enviornmental beliefs that include being anti-coal, pro-nuclear, pro-solar. If we put all our effort into avoid climate change, what about urban sprawl? URBAN SPRAWL IS OK IF PEOPLE LIVE, LEARN, WORK AND DO BUSINESS IN THEIR LOCAL AREA What about the issues raised in www.storyofstuff.com? THAT IS A WHOLE NEW DISCUSSION AND, ARGUABLY, THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM – OUR CONSUMER MENTALITY Why is 'adapting' to climate change such a bad thing? FINE IF WE ARE CONFIDENT TEMPERATURES WILL ONLY INCREASE BY A DEGREE OR SO, BUT IF BEYOND THAT IT WILL TRANSFORM OUR PLANET. FOR COMPARISON, DURING THE MAJOR ICES AGES (WHERE NEW YORK AND BERLIN WERE UNDER ICE) GLOBAL TEMPERATURES WERE ONLY SOME 5 DEGREES LESS THAN TODAY
Plimer, of course, suggests we could actually be heading towards an ice age (which is almost a certainty in the long run, of course) and even that warming stopped in 1998 (which I can't seem to pin down if it is true or not - for every respectable government body like NASA that says only 2006 has been hot since 1998, there are plenty of others that counter it). THERE WAS A LARGE INCREASE IN GLOBAL TEMPERATURES IN THE LATE 90s. SINCE THEN TEMPERATURES HAVE LEVELLED OFF OR REDUCED SLIGHTLY. THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THE OVERALL TREND THOUGH IT MAY DO IF TEMPERATURES DROP OVER THE NEXT DECADE OR SO. Pilmer's disection of the hockey stick graph seems to match Pilmer's footnotes and other sources. While I'm not happy with all his leaps of faith regarding what he considers to be 'true climate drivers' (raditation from space drives cloud creation? I'll have to check that out more but it is either an obsense oversimplification of the science or plain wrong).
Is it really plausible that CO2 is the sole driver of climate change? Are you a believer or a skeptic? AS I HAVE SAID ABOVE, THERE ARE MANY DRIVERS OF CLIMATE BUT NO MATTER HOW HARD I LOOK AT THE SCEPTICS ARGUMENTS I KEEP COMING BACK TO THE BASIC SCIENCE THAT WAS RESOLVED IN THE 19th CENTURY – GREENHOUSE GASES KEEP OUR PLANET WARM – WE ARE INCREASING THOSE GASES – THEREFORE, ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL, TEMPERATURES WILL CONTINUE TO RISE. OTHER FACTORS WILL AFFECT THE TIMING OF THAT INCREASE BUT OF THOSE FACTORS THE POSITIVE FEEDBACK MECHANISMS, TO ME, TOTALLY DOMINATE ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK MECHANISMS OR OTHER FACTORS.
IN SUMMARY I AM A ’SCEPTICAL BELIEVER’. WE MAY BE WRONG BUT WE SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD TO TAKE THE RISK AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF SCIENTISTS THINK IT IS VERY VERY SERIOUS!
Help out someone who wants to believe, and do it without sarcasm if you can... HOPE I DID! CHEERS KEITH
27 May 2009 9:54 PM
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